title: Governance & engagement
lang: en

> Most conversations around governance as progressive organisations form are either handwavy; “It’ll be flat and super democratic” or hyper-specific; “We’ll be using holocracy and a modified version of dot voting plus some Loomio – read this document”. Or worse, some mash-up of the two. This rarely ends well. Either the [Tyranny of Structurelessness](http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm) ([cache](/david/cache/62bfe3b136345600177d627af004fc9d/)) asserts its dread grip, or the pancake falls apart into a depressing soggy mess.
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> But we want to build dynamic, effective organisations that have a chance at living alongside rapacious capitalist analogues, and so we must relate to our stakeholders in ways which engage them, and which capitalism cannot copy or steal.
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> We must have good governance, and it must be engaging.
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> <cite>*[Life-like governance](https://digital-anthropology.me/2018/04/06/life-like-governance/)* ([cache](/david/cache/793f0238078a842a9f2eb70cebd5cf83/))</cite>

Sometimes, the group is not ready. When you are already too deep (to keep the model of the article), it is very hard to make others join you. I have to admit it to myself and keep digging. There are plenty of groups out there!